Use the Captain's 5 count method for waiting for a possible good shooter. Shooter must roll a 4,5,6,8,9 or 10 before you begin the 5-count. Any number that comes up on the 2nd,3rd & 4th roll keeps the count going to the 5th number. Only if a 4,5,6,8,9 or 10 is rolled does that count as a 5th number, and then you may make a place bet, come bet or if s/he makes a point on the 5th roll, a pass line point. Naturally a 7 rolled anywhere in this series, ends the count and you start over on the next shooter.